Group Dynamics of a people's movement , India Against Corruption
The leadership issue in a volunteers' movement
This is one debate which came up while inquiring about how assertive, if at all, an honest man can become. It was during this course that I made an attempt to image better what and how a Volunteer's Movement should work. The dynamics of a Volunteer's movement is unconventional, because everyone is free to join and free to move out. Kiran Bedi has often described the India Against Corruption as Volunteer's movement. But the bogged up minds which we all become by a quirk of Nature, we make mistake if we attempt to treat such a movement with how our regular Political Parties function.
Indeed, the mere exploration in the dynamics of a volunteer's movement will be a great lesson on how a Democratic Society should function with enormous freedom to everyone, while still not missing out the correct direction, the common goal, that every one in the group has. The disagreements result into the emergence of what should be the the right, and that Right is accepted and practised by everyone. So, there are enormous disagreements between the people only to feed up into a search of what should be the right.
Here is how the debate proceeded :
SU (on his FB post) : If u r honest, but not assertive, u r no better than manmohan singh. Period!!!!!
MS:stronger arguments will be required to be assertive in any Democractic set-up. Maybe some conclusive arguments.
SU: MS,..... Janamdin mubarak..... Teri wall par post nahi ho raha..... :) YE Conclusive statement hai...... :)
RS:any movement needs a leader to take it further....and to give it direction.....!!!!Certain code of conducts and discipline must be there.......Here Anna is a symbol but his team is not like Manmohan's ...Anna's team are free to express and do whatever they want...but Manmohan's team can't even dare to utter a word without Her Majesty's wishes....not even ManMohan himself.... So I think there must be a shrewd and leader like person to b at the helm of affairs of IAC........like ex army chief V.K.Singh, Subramanyam Swami, and the likes....
SU: RS...... Ur perception about the team is puritanical.... One up-manship has taken over the core committee.... There will be no ''competent'' person at helm of affairs.... It would undermine the self proclaimed leadership of vultures like sanjay singh and manish sisodia...... Resurrection is need and if tough decisions are not made, the core committee will be historically culpable for criminal breach of trust of 100 crore plus Indians.....
RS: I believe in leadership....Anna is such a simple soul...and and at a time when parliament is all too active in killing this movement, it needs a shrewd leader who can anticipate their every move and start acting on it timely..
SU: RS.... Entire nation is looking upto it.... Thing is, the committee is not inclined to serve the nation.... They all have been infected by vested interests....
MS:shrewd leader will be a bad idea. Rather, IAC can resort to collective leadership by keeping the affairs open and public. For a movement of volunteers that is the right way. Most volunteers will not want to submit to a ''direction-ing'' leadership. Truely, the leadership in such cases emerges natural by Darwin's method of selection of the best, instead of the conventional method of projection and promotion of a person. You know what, most of the people movements sooner or later become a political party, (E.g. Congress party) and the leadership becomes the lobbyist handicraft if the leadership is attempted by human action, in place of Darwin's natural selection. Let Anna be the face, and for sure he will not take the leadership at this age,.... He will be more as a 'promoter and underwriter of a Company'.
RS:yeah...Darvin's law is apt suited here.....survival of the fittest.....
RS;But still I do favor a strong leader to give directions to this movement.....as our enemy is too powerful and organized.....They try very effort to get this movement die a natural death.....and volunteers just won't be able to judge their tricks...
MS:Leadership , anyway, will be required for the purpose of administrative needs. Like, for signatures on any Memo or MoU to be signed with the government. But here too, the face should only be an executive style leadership, not the philosophical , mentoring leadership. Executive leadership can put all documents in public space and Decision-making can remain public after doings it due philosophical haggling on the decision in a collective style. Monetary Funding will be a challenge for the functioning of the movement. Maybe the smaller groups can do the in-house fund raising keeping the larger movement clear from the funds raised as there are risks of falling into the trap of corruption-allegations for the entire bigger group of IAC due to mis-deeds or ill-decisions of one small group in any financial matter.
MS:Organised enemy is indeed a dangerous group to fight out. Our organisation should come as a natural rebellion, revolution (revolutions don't have leaders, it is only the historians who assign leadership to the prominent faces). we are overall in a in-fighting cause, with our own people, the elected representatives. leadership will come at the cost of political fragmentation of the movement.
RS:Here when I talk of leadership, I don't mean committee, I think there is one able shrwed aware Leader to head this movement....!!!! Core Committee is all too divided among themselves mainly bcz it does not have someone to control over them....
SV: SU, mera maanna hai ki hamare dushman wo to hain hi jo sansad ya vidhansabhaon mein baithe hain...lekin ek kadwaa sach ye hai ki anna ji ka movement kewal paise ka bhrshtachaar na hokar hum sabke andar samaaye huye aise bhrasht maansikta ko bhi maarna hai jo ye kahti hai ki galat sonch,galat paisa or galat aadmi hi safal hai...jis din hum sabne apne andar ke is paapi ko maar diya usi din anna ji ka sapna 'ek saaf suthra or viksit bharat' duniya ke saamne aayega ...
RS:isa kuch nahi hota.....apne andar sabke kuch paap punya hote hain.....agar dar na ho to punyatma bhi paapi ban jayein...aur paapi bhi punyatma...
MS:(I am sorry, I am not able to clear my mind of the seminary enquiry into what should be a leadership for a volunteer's movement). I think Darwin's natural selection can bring out executive leadership, but should not be applicable for the Ideological leadership EPITOMISED into single human body. Since all humans have diversity in their beliefs, it will NOT be good idea to have any ideological leadership EPITOMISED. Through the Darwin's natural selection, factors such as long time association have good chances to become the face of the movement, being the old and recognised people. They can EXECUTE the Decisions (which, of course, will be made in collective manner). In the longest terms, movements like IAC should come to an end after achieving their due, and the old and recognised faces transform into political class to carry the legacy forward after the demise of the movement. The objectives of the movement take shape of laws and regulation, ( e.g. Liberty ,Equality, Fraternity in the French revolution; Non-violence from India freedom struggle; and (if at all) Corruption-free public Institutions from IAC movements.
The natural demise of such movements is essential to prevent abuse of the energy created during the movement.
SS: अभी कुछ दिन पहले किसी ने हमारे प्रधानमन्त्री को शिखंडी कहा था .यार ! यही समस्या है , लोग सही और सटीक उदाहरण नहीं देते . प्रधानमन्त्री शिखंडी नहीं हैं . शिखंडी बड़ा फोकस्ड व्यक्ति था . कोई कन्फ्यूजन नहीं ... अम्बा से भीष्म ने शादी नहीं की तो ज़िन्दगी का केवल एक मकसद , भीष्म की बर्बादी. हमारे प्रधानमंत्री भीष्म हो सकते हैं , द्रोण हो सकते हैं , कृपाचार्य हो सकते हैं ; जो कुरु राजसभा में उस दिन बैठे रहे और दुशासन द्रौपदी की साड़ी खींचता रहा
This is one debate which came up while inquiring about how assertive, if at all, an honest man can become. It was during this course that I made an attempt to image better what and how a Volunteer's Movement should work. The dynamics of a Volunteer's movement is unconventional, because everyone is free to join and free to move out. Kiran Bedi has often described the India Against Corruption as Volunteer's movement. But the bogged up minds which we all become by a quirk of Nature, we make mistake if we attempt to treat such a movement with how our regular Political Parties function.
Indeed, the mere exploration in the dynamics of a volunteer's movement will be a great lesson on how a Democratic Society should function with enormous freedom to everyone, while still not missing out the correct direction, the common goal, that every one in the group has. The disagreements result into the emergence of what should be the the right, and that Right is accepted and practised by everyone. So, there are enormous disagreements between the people only to feed up into a search of what should be the right.
Here is how the debate proceeded :
SU (on his FB post) : If u r honest, but not assertive, u r no better than manmohan singh. Period!!!!!
the comments followed:
RS : I would like you to be in the Core Committee....as u have all the ingredients to be there.....!!! What say Friends???????/
SU:Thanx, but no thanx..... I am ethically against any committee which has no democratic basis..... Core committee is just one mutual admiration club where 6 people are symbiotically associated and rest parasitically..... :)
SU:Thanx, but no thanx..... I am ethically against any committee which has no democratic basis..... Core committee is just one mutual admiration club where 6 people are symbiotically associated and rest parasitically..... :)
MS:stronger arguments will be required to be assertive in any Democractic set-up. Maybe some conclusive arguments.
SU: MS,..... Janamdin mubarak..... Teri wall par post nahi ho raha..... :) YE Conclusive statement hai...... :)
RS:any movement needs a leader to take it further....and to give it direction.....!!!!Certain code of conducts and discipline must be there.......Here Anna is a symbol but his team is not like Manmohan's ...Anna's team are free to express and do whatever they want...but Manmohan's team can't even dare to utter a word without Her Majesty's wishes....not even ManMohan himself.... So I think there must be a shrewd and leader like person to b at the helm of affairs of IAC........like ex army chief V.K.Singh, Subramanyam Swami, and the likes....
SU: RS...... Ur perception about the team is puritanical.... One up-manship has taken over the core committee.... There will be no ''competent'' person at helm of affairs.... It would undermine the self proclaimed leadership of vultures like sanjay singh and manish sisodia...... Resurrection is need and if tough decisions are not made, the core committee will be historically culpable for criminal breach of trust of 100 crore plus Indians.....
RS: I believe in leadership....Anna is such a simple soul...and and at a time when parliament is all too active in killing this movement, it needs a shrewd leader who can anticipate their every move and start acting on it timely..
SU: RS.... Entire nation is looking upto it.... Thing is, the committee is not inclined to serve the nation.... They all have been infected by vested interests....
MS:shrewd leader will be a bad idea. Rather, IAC can resort to collective leadership by keeping the affairs open and public. For a movement of volunteers that is the right way. Most volunteers will not want to submit to a ''direction-ing'' leadership. Truely, the leadership in such cases emerges natural by Darwin's method of selection of the best, instead of the conventional method of projection and promotion of a person. You know what, most of the people movements sooner or later become a political party, (E.g. Congress party) and the leadership becomes the lobbyist handicraft if the leadership is attempted by human action, in place of Darwin's natural selection. Let Anna be the face, and for sure he will not take the leadership at this age,.... He will be more as a 'promoter and underwriter of a Company'.
RS:yeah...Darvin's law is apt suited here.....survival of the fittest.....
RS;But still I do favor a strong leader to give directions to this movement.....as our enemy is too powerful and organized.....They try very effort to get this movement die a natural death.....and volunteers just won't be able to judge their tricks...
MS:Leadership , anyway, will be required for the purpose of administrative needs. Like, for signatures on any Memo or MoU to be signed with the government. But here too, the face should only be an executive style leadership, not the philosophical , mentoring leadership. Executive leadership can put all documents in public space and Decision-making can remain public after doings it due philosophical haggling on the decision in a collective style. Monetary Funding will be a challenge for the functioning of the movement. Maybe the smaller groups can do the in-house fund raising keeping the larger movement clear from the funds raised as there are risks of falling into the trap of corruption-allegations for the entire bigger group of IAC due to mis-deeds or ill-decisions of one small group in any financial matter.
MS:Organised enemy is indeed a dangerous group to fight out. Our organisation should come as a natural rebellion, revolution (revolutions don't have leaders, it is only the historians who assign leadership to the prominent faces). we are overall in a in-fighting cause, with our own people, the elected representatives. leadership will come at the cost of political fragmentation of the movement.
RS:Here when I talk of leadership, I don't mean committee, I think there is one able shrwed aware Leader to head this movement....!!!! Core Committee is all too divided among themselves mainly bcz it does not have someone to control over them....
SV: SU, mera maanna hai ki hamare dushman wo to hain hi jo sansad ya vidhansabhaon mein baithe hain...lekin ek kadwaa sach ye hai ki anna ji ka movement kewal paise ka bhrshtachaar na hokar hum sabke andar samaaye huye aise bhrasht maansikta ko bhi maarna hai jo ye kahti hai ki galat sonch,galat paisa or galat aadmi hi safal hai...jis din hum sabne apne andar ke is paapi ko maar diya usi din anna ji ka sapna 'ek saaf suthra or viksit bharat' duniya ke saamne aayega ...
RS:isa kuch nahi hota.....apne andar sabke kuch paap punya hote hain.....agar dar na ho to punyatma bhi paapi ban jayein...aur paapi bhi punyatma...
MS:(I am sorry, I am not able to clear my mind of the seminary enquiry into what should be a leadership for a volunteer's movement). I think Darwin's natural selection can bring out executive leadership, but should not be applicable for the Ideological leadership EPITOMISED into single human body. Since all humans have diversity in their beliefs, it will NOT be good idea to have any ideological leadership EPITOMISED. Through the Darwin's natural selection, factors such as long time association have good chances to become the face of the movement, being the old and recognised people. They can EXECUTE the Decisions (which, of course, will be made in collective manner). In the longest terms, movements like IAC should come to an end after achieving their due, and the old and recognised faces transform into political class to carry the legacy forward after the demise of the movement. The objectives of the movement take shape of laws and regulation, ( e.g. Liberty ,Equality, Fraternity in the French revolution; Non-violence from India freedom struggle; and (if at all) Corruption-free public Institutions from IAC movements.
The natural demise of such movements is essential to prevent abuse of the energy created during the movement.
SS: अभी कुछ दिन पहले किसी ने हमारे प्रधानमन्त्री को शिखंडी कहा था .यार ! यही समस्या है , लोग सही और सटीक उदाहरण नहीं देते . प्रधानमन्त्री शिखंडी नहीं हैं . शिखंडी बड़ा फोकस्ड व्यक्ति था . कोई कन्फ्यूजन नहीं ... अम्बा से भीष्म ने शादी नहीं की तो ज़िन्दगी का केवल एक मकसद , भीष्म की बर्बादी. हमारे प्रधानमंत्री भीष्म हो सकते हैं , द्रोण हो सकते हैं , कृपाचार्य हो सकते हैं ; जो कुरु राजसभा में उस दिन बैठे रहे और दुशासन द्रौपदी की साड़ी खींचता रहा
MSk : shikhandi ke shareer pe ye log chale jate hai magar vo bhi ek maha rathi tha us yudh me aur uska ek he lakshya tha bheshm ke maut
SS: completely agree with parasitic and symbiotic association defn...now we the volunteers have to decide what kind of association we have had and will have...
PNA :दुनिया के इस सबसे बड़े प्रजातांत्रिक कहे जाने वाले देश में ऐसा लगता है की दुनिया का सबसे सूक्ष्म स्तर का ही सही लेकिन वह भी कुछ भी प्रजातांत्रिक नहीं है यहाँ पर और यही है इस देश की समस्या की जड़ जिसे परिवार नामक संस्था से लेकर कही भी महसूस किया जा सकता है !अन्ना टीम या कोई और इस बीमारी से अछूते नहीं है ! हम सिर्फ "प्रजातान्त्रिक" कहते भर है "अमल" नहीं करते और वह भी "इरादतन" ...............अगर प्रजातांत्रिक व्यवस्था विशुद्ध रूप से अमल में ले आयेंगे तो हमारे काले मन की पापी सोंच की मुराद पूरी हो ही नहीं सकती है यह अव्यवस्थाएं है इस देश में ! हम सिर्फ कहते भर है " From the People , By the People , For the People " लेकिन सच्चाई यह नहीं है सच्चाई तो सड़क पर "नागिन डांस" कर रही है ----For the People और डांस करवा रहे है From the People क्यों की डांस करवाने वाले From the People उस गलती का परिणाम है जो गलती की गयी By the People................
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